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...Haven't posted on here in a little while, so I think the double post can be excused. So yeah, I found yet ANOTHER bug that resulted from Rain Flush getting changed. This is now the third bug related to Rain Flush. Rain Flush's change was literally a game changer...

...So I learned about 30 minutes ago that we will be out to watch the second Avengers movie at around 30 minutes before the session (4:30 my time), so I will not be able to attend the session. I suppose if the session is fairly quiet that you guys could talk about any of the ideas I posted in my thread. Other than that, I will not be present in the session on Sunday in any shape or form.

...Personally, I'm against being able to copy boss abilities. If players can use boss abilities, then all the boss has going for it is basically a 9999-9999-9999 stat robot or higher with lots of health. If we absolutely must have boss abilities be copied, make them cost a lot of WE to use.

@TheDoc : Last I remember, King is going to be a boss.

@MegaBossMan : ...That's only a GUI/visual bug. Double check your defense for Snake Man. It actually went up despite the battle stats saying it went up by 0. This happened because your base stats were low enough to be awarded points in that category, but your current defense was maxed out, so although it APPEARED to go up by 0, it actually went up the usual amount. You'd notice this more often if you actually stat trained your robots... I do suppose I put that bluntly, but regardless, this is actually quite common to see once your stats get to 9999.

...Judging by the fact the battle finished in one turn, and that Toad Man is the first robot on the team (left-to-right), means your Toad Man used Rain Flush. If you cannot take out an opponent's Toad Man in one hit, bring a FULL team of robots. People that take Rain Flush lightly will be punished. I hope Rhythm learned something from this loss. Rain Flush is the ONE ability that even players like myself have to watch out for.

...I really believe that Hyper Storm should have the Explode weakness since that's the weapon that does the most to him, but Hyper Bomb does more to Buster...but when seeing Crash Bomber, Buster only takes 1 damage compared to Hyper Storm getting 2. With that said, I have to disagree about Buster's second weakness. It fits more for Hyper Storm to have that weakness since that's actually his official weakness. I would support Explode and Flame for Hyper Storm.

I agree that Buster's main weakness is Impact, though. Looking down the list, Air Shooter does 4 damage to Buster, but so does Bubble Lead. Among the four elements represented here, Impact is already covered. I'm leaning towards Water, otherwise Dust Crusher or Oil Slider would be x4 on him, and Mikey would not approve of a x4 weakness for a boss, or said boss having three weaknesses. :P

...One question for Rhythm: What gave you the idea to experiment with using beads to make sprites of characters?

Interesting hobby, so I'm just curious how it all began.

...Just got one question for Ender.

What is your favorite MM8BDM wad/mod and why?

That's all this time.

...I guess I'll start, just to get this going (and sorry if I end up coming up with a couple you were personally going to ask, Mikey).

1. How did you find out about the Prototype?
2. Do you consider yourself a Retro gamer (preferring to play the games a few generations behind the current gen), or a Modern gamer (always seeking to play the newest games), and for what reason?
3. If you had a choice of three difficulty levels for a game, which would you most likely pick (and why): Easy, Normal, or Hard?
4. What is your favorite activity besides gaming/internet?
5. If you had to mention your biggest blessing in life, what would it be?


There, that's my limit, and a nice range of questions at that.

...Decided to maintain a Bug Report thread instead of creating more threads for every bug or weird occurrence I find in this game. Three new reports added, only one of which is easily reproducible...the others I think are a freak accident at best.

...Once again, I have problems staying in the chat while at school...so yeah, if I'm online on here during the day, but not in the chatroom, it means I'm at school. I would instead be hanging out in the legacy chat, but I think we've already retired it at this point.

...I assumed that Dark Towers would be a random occurrence when I suggested that, but if it's going to be story related, I guess that would make sense. I guess you could change it to Dark Elements maybe only appearing in Starforce/Late-Story battles on Easy.

Also, the idea by MBM sounds good too. I think it could have been partly covered by the desire for increased stats, but I guess following up on charges wouldn't be a bad idea either.

...Congratulations ThatGuyNamedMikey and TheDoc. The mods of the forum should indeed be those that are active and with open minds. I have no problems at all with either of you being contributors. See you guys around!

...Once again, Xat's infinite "Are you a Human?" questions. Been hanging out at the legacy chat, will continue to do so for another hour.

...Sure enough, it affects my Bright Man now, which makes either Toad Man solo or both robots risky. Maybe for safety measures I should bring Bubble Man along as well. On the other hand, I can use this to my advantage as well...the other Toad Men love spamming Rain Flush too.

...I will not be able to attend the session today due to the fact I will be at my sister's house an hour before the session begins. We're having Easter dinner over there, so I expect to be a few hours away. I will probably do my usual thing and discuss my thoughts in the Xat chat sometime after the session.

...For some reason the Database got the stats reset, and it's affecting the game. Even Mechas are at default stats, and for Gen 1, that's a buff for them. Either something went horribly wrong a few nights ago...or this is a sign that Adrian is preparing to release the Update very soon.

...I do suppose some items before stood out more than others, so I understand the changes made to held items, disappointed as I am (guess I'll probably resort to either using Weapon Tanks or the 1-Ups, or Cores, we'll see). As for the AI, I keep thinking personally how the AI in the game could be much better, so I'm interested to see what changes to the AI happen in Hard Mode.

...This will be a typical routine for me now. While I'm at school, I'll be in the Legacy Chat since Xat's "Are You a Human" catch assumes I'm a bot even if I do the activities. So yeah, going to the Legacy Chat.

...Honestly, I'm surprised. This kind of made up for the day I had (when you got two tests in the same day...ugh). I can imagine the strategies involved when abilities like Mirror Buster get added...this update is so huge that it's going to change how Player Battles are won so much. I would say I cannot wait, but...I can. I know how much of a big project this game is, so I'm patient. Seeing the Killers being added, though, ought to make this more interesting.

...In the legacy chat for now since Xat still thinks I'm a bot.

...I hate Xat so much. If you don't register an account on Xat, you're going to get a never-ending series of questions asking if you're human if you access on a different connection then what you normally use for the chat. I won't be going on Xat anymore while I'm at college. I'll probably move to the legacy chat while I'm at college.

...I have returned to the top 4 after much BP grinding. I do not intend at this point to get back among the REALLY hungry BP folks (aka the top 3), but I do intend to perhaps grind to 300 billion or some mark to distance myself from the rest of the Leaderboard. At least I can mostly grind stats for my robots without worrying about defense since the people that can target me are either inactive or do not have much interest at all. So yeah, in a sense, I am back.

...How about we dedicate a development thread to finishing off the abilities, then?

I thought a while back that Slash would make more sense as Nature. I think we should keep the 2nd tier ability "Slash Claw", but I like the idea of something different for his first. Maybe Beast Charge?

I'd say Scorch Drive as Turbo Man's second tier sounds good, and it highlights the speedy side of him.

...This glitch doesn't occur with Rhythm for some strange reason. It's the same user too (CopyCat), and same ability (Rain Flush) with same robot (Toad Man). This is a strange bug...

...When no one else is in the chat, I constantly get asked if I'm a human when idling in the chat (even when I do complete the activity and sign in again). Since I don't want to create a Xat account since this is the only such chat I use, I am basically being discouraged from staying in the chat unless there's someone else there. If I am active in the community, I will be watching the Leaderboard activity as well, so I attempt to join the chat if I see a chat user online. Otherwise, don't expect me in the chat.

...This was exactly the reason why I stayed low on the Leaderboard...oh well, he won't get the big BP again. I'm keeping my strongest robots from ever reaching the PB except when I'm attacking someone myself.

@MangekyouAlphaZX : ...Unholy is not really a boss mod. I don't want to go into any details, but I personally despise that mod. A large majority of the regulars in the community actually dislike that game as well. I personally would recommend mods like Mega Man X Singleplayer, Bot Apocalypse, or Team Sneaking (all team-based mods, I should mention).

...Wow, even if we aren't getting any new fields or content like that, this still seems like a huge update. But yeah, ultimately I felt it was too hard to defend in Player Battles, but some of the new content and changes might make it much easier...if that happens to be the case, you can bet I'll return to be among the most dedicated of the players on here (though crazy high BP would make the climb interesting to say the least).

...Why are people all of a sudden resetting their accounts? Seems I started a new trend. I only did it so I could build my dream team back up again without people grinding on me.

@TheDoc : ...Looks like Ice Man is eluding you with the final Star. Regardless, you finally got your Starforce. You'll find battling to be so much easier now...perhaps almost boring.

...Considering I don't have much going on today, I should be able to make it at least the first half of the session tonight. I'll be online for a while anyway playing the game.

...I like the fact that we got some activity for once in the top 50. There's quite a few new additions to the top 50 that have even made it to the top 20 now. The bar keeps getting set higher that separates the dedicated players from the casual. A word of advice especially for TheDoc...get your Starforce up if you want to stand any chance of beating anyone in the top 3. Up here, it is VERY unusual if no robots from either side get disabled in one turn. Heck, even with all of the grinding I've done personally, I can get DESTROYED pretty easily by Boss or Mikey. At least we only are competitive in BP count...we never battle each other since we can easily dish revenge against the other to avenge a loss. Of course, it will take some more time before you can challenge the top 3 directly, so you still got time to prepare...

@MetaKirbSter : That's Boss on that picture, not Mikey.

...Well, I just lost incentive to finish the rest of the Fusion Battles. Oh well, I do suppose this update will further separate the inactive players from the active players on the Leaderboard. Interested to see what new missions are coming, though...

...I guess it might depend on the browser, but there are now 35 pages of players on the Leaderboard. For me the page numbers are starting to overlap the links that lead to the next/previous/first pages. Might be time to start doing another row of page numbers starting from 31?

...So many challenges...let me see what I can remember...

Easy Challenges:
Victory! - Beat the Intro Stage for the first time
Better Victory! - Complete 1 story
Ultimate Victory! - Complete all 3 stories
Supreme Victory! - Complete the Bonus Fields at least once on all 3 stories
League of Mets - Get Field Support on all 3 stories
Introduction - Introduce yourself on this thread!
New Friends - Transfer a robot

Retro Pikachu's Challenges:
Last Man Standing - Start a match with 8 robots against 8, but win with just 1 robot.
Sorry, I Blinked - Win a Chapter 4 match in one turn (you may use items!)
Mirror Match - Win Final Destination III using the SAME robots that you are facing

TheDoc Challenges:
One-man Army - Win a match of 1 v. 8 in Player Battles.
Second to None - Gain the Star symbol on your profile.
Showstopper - End the battle with a Flash Stopper (killing at least 3 robots).
Nope - Throw up a Skull Barrier right before your opponent uses an ability that would've been super effective on the protected robot.
Quick on the Draw - Kill a robot with Quick Boomerang who's speed is higher or equal to yours.

MetaDaroachSter's challenges:
Perfect Team: Have all robots you pick in a fight be maxed out win all stats
Greater Level: Have all robots in the game at lv. 100
Starforce Perfection: Win a battle without using Neutral and Copy type abilities

ThatOneEnderMan's challenges:
What's a Weakness? - Beat a full battle with only not very effective moves
A Bit of Help... - Unlock Roll, Disco, and Rhythm.
The Final Star! - Unlock ALL 1024 Stars!
Strange New Foes... - Beat all of the Mega Man Killers! (Enker, Punk, Ballade, and Quint once he is added)
Got to Scan Them All! - Scan all robots. (MM5 MM6, MM7, all of robots masters mostly, but not the Mechas)
Mecha Database Complete! - Scan all Mechas.
Supporter - Use 50 supporting attacks! (Roll Buster, Attack Swap, you know...)

Bt Man's challenges:
Super Fighting Robot: Have a level 100 Mega Man.
Big Bang Strike: Have a level 100 Proto Man.
Bassnium: Have a level 100 Bass.
You Cheater!: Discover the Secret Codes area.
Gameshark: Figure out one of the codes.
Powered Up: Have all the Mega Man Powered Up robot masters. (Not including Mega Man and Roll)
The Second Lineup: Have all the Mega Man 2 robot masters.
Cossack Attack: Have all the Mega Man 4 robot masters.
Scan, Search, Destroy, Collect: Have all the Mega Man 3 robot masters. (Not including Proto Man)
Humiliation: Win a battle (That CAN'T be the Met battles) using only the Buster Shot.

Nagasaki's Challenges:
Mecha Trainer: Have all Mechas leveled up to Level 100.
One-Hit Wonder: Win a Player Battle with only 1 robot, in just one hit!
Filling the Database: Complete the database with all information on all scannable robots and mechas.

TobyJoey's Challenges:
Salt in the Wound: Lower an opponent's stat to either 1 or 0.
Meeting the Deadline: Win a mission in the exact number of turns suggested.
New Domain: Purchase a Robot Field.
Keep the Receipt: Sell 10 of an item at once.
Pawn Shop: Sell 25 of an item at once.
Entrepreneur: Sell 50 of an item at once.
Technician: Use nothing but Super Effective abilities during a mission.
Ricochet Rabbit: Use Gemini Laser to destroy a robot that is not active.

ZeroDXZ's Challenges
Starstruck: Obtain 120+ stars (WARNING: All Field Stars must be obtained, the rest is all Fusion Stars)
Maximum Guts!: Have ALL Robots max stats!


Comments:

1 vs 8 in Player Battles is common for me, and I can usually win them in one blow as well. I couldn't say I completed ZeroDXZ's "Strongest Mega-Man" challenge because I was on the first page long before ZeroDXZ even joined the game. I'm also the ONLY person that can say they have max stats on ALL robots AND got ALL of their Mechas to level 100. As for my own challenges, for now I'll mention these:

The Big Boost: Earn at least 100 million BP from a single battle.
Tougher Competition: Have top 50 members start appearing in Player Battles.
Among the Elite: Beat a top 20 member.
Fighting the Best: Beat a member who has a Star next to their name.
Power Training: Obtain the maximum amount of bonus stat increases from an opponent (download from a defeated RM 99 ATK, 99 DEF, and 99 SPD).

...Proto Man had Rain Flush, and I underestimated Gemini Laser's power against 9999 Defense. Nothing else to say.

...Yet another mind-blowing secret revealed by the man himself. I do know there was mention at some point that Starforce would possibly even be required to finish the main story, but the dark spire idea...I'm at a loss for words. If this thing showed up in Player Battles, it would basically come down back to robot stats...and for me, it would be like a trump card that would benefit my hand. I am really curious as to what else might be in store for the future, even after the Winter update (and here I was going to be content with alt skins and promises of rebalancing some abilities like Rain Flush).

I got to hand it to you, Adrian, you've always been full of surprises, and that's another thing that keeps me going in this game. The next time you perform a server backup, btw, my account should have level 100 mechas for you to experiment with. It's looking very likely I will be finished with the mechas by Christmas time.

...Darn you and your persistence Mikey. I guess I'm going to have to jump into the fray here. I won't comment on the ideas directly, but rather just say my thoughts of a few topics. I will just say you will lose credibility if you push your ideas too much, and if that happens, some people may not want to see what future ideas you will suggest.

First, a couple of mistakes you made: MM5 robots won't affect the story at all. MM3 didn't. Only MM1, MM2, and MM4 robots are going to be directly fought in the story. The other robots HAVE to be unlocked by purchasing them in the shop. I have no idea if any of the purchasable robots will have a direct impact on the story, but you do forget that the story isn't anywhere close to being finished. It's very possible the FD stages will get changed in the future, but until then, the robot levels are staying as is, no matter how much content is able to be purchased.

Second, you're overlooking the 'EVs'. Did you forget that robots can continue to get stats even after they've reached level 100? Sure, the robot levels may not change, but their stats can EASILY be increased still. Now tell me why story robots can't get the same treatment?

I'll make one other point...Starforce is not going away, so FORGET about trying to get rid of it. You forget that the Starforce itself CAN BE CHANGED. It's clear now that increasing damage by 1% each Star is out of control. Here's what I propose to solve the problem of the increasing power of Starforce:

1. Reduce the power of Starforce, maybe cut its power in half, and see how long it takes for the Starforce to become very strong again.

2. 99% Defense for Coreguard? That actually sounds very overpowered to me. I suggest 0.5% increase for each Core, up to almost half damage from elements. Couple that with...

3. For each Star, increase elemental defense by the same amount as power. So we're looking at about half damage again for elements.

This not only provides around 99.5% protection against elements (and this also makes it very easy to adjust since the protection only comes from two sources), but the overall power of Starforce is greatly reduced, making it VERY unlikely to get to those extreme examples Mikey mentioned earlier until much later in the game's development, and if Starforce ends up getting out of control at that point, we can just reduce its power some more. I'm even thinking that 99.5% DEFENSE against elements might even be TOO MUCH protection. The amount of power Starforce provides can always be adjusted. There's NO NEED to remove an element of the game that actually is pretty original compared to other games of the same genre.

It might be time for me to start making idea threads of my own...

...Probably better to just make a note on this thread for new players:

To unlock the support robots (maybe in the future we should set up another method to get them, or possibly allow them to get bought?):

Fail one mission in Dr. Light's story against one of the MM1 Robot Masters or against Bass and Disco using either Mega Man or one of your own MM1 Robot Masters. I'd say she is pretty hard NOT to get, but I'll put her here anyway since this starts the pattern...

Fail two different missions in Dr. Wily's story against the MM2 Robot Masters and/or against Proto Man and Rhythm using either Bass or your own MM2 Robot Masters. It needs to be a robot from Wily's story for the loss to count, and this is important: it HAS to be two SEPARATE missions. Losing twice against Heat Man only counts as 1, but losing against Heat Man and Bubble Man will unlock Disco.

Fail three different missions in Dr. Cossack's story against the MM4 Robot Masters and/or against Mega Man and Roll using either Proto Man or your own MM4 Robot Masters. It needs to be a robot from Cossack's story for the loss to count, so for example losing against Toad Man, Skull Man, and Drill Man will unlock Rhythm. Losing against Toad Man 2 times and Skull once won't do it. Losing against say Flash Man in Cossack's story (by selecting his field to appear instead of a MM4 RM's) will not count either.

...Maybe we need another method to unlock the support robots...

...Welcome, TheDarkAssassin, as well as many of the other newcomers that I missed before. Please, do not hesitate to ask questions about the game if you need help. Otherwise, hope you enjoy the game and good luck with the story missions! This is a game that keeps on giving if you can get past the first few chapters of each story.

...These kinds of bugs happen if you stay on a screen for too long without doing anything. For it to cause a blue screen on your computer, though? That's strange.

...Going to be in the chat most of this week, since I will be focusing on getting all of my mechas to level 100...can be a very boring thing to do, so I'll accept any company I get.

...I won't be able to make it tonight, as I do actually have to leave in a few minutes to head out to a movie with my family. Hope the meeting goes well regardless!

...It depends. If Adrian will have some unlockable alts, I'll have many more besides just Gemini Man's alts. Rather, the only robots I might not get any for might be robots I don't use like Hard Man (I have only spawned him around 50 times...).

...Actually, I think I'm all for buying the skins instead of unlocking them. We have a lot of grinding taking place already, so I think having some additional content that can be bought with Zenny would be a nice thing to have. Maybe make mecha grinding easier by buying items for them as well?

...All right, so I'm just posting here to remind myself to make sure I at least attempt to make it to the Friday Night session. I cannot say for sure I will get called to dinner around the time of the session, but I will at least appear in the chat before the session starts.

@TheDoc : ...To be honest, really, it's kind of your fault for not paying attention to the time. I've been on other websites besides this one where it sometimes times you out if you haven't posted anything in 20-30 minutes. Copy and paste your text onto a text file, or just make sure you copied your post. Try to post, and if it fails, just log back in and paste the text you just copied, and presto, you can successfully post this time. Try to remember that for next time and you won't have to retype your thoughts.

...So, when's the next session? I'm not sure if it's officially changed to Sunday, or if we will still have it tonight.

...Some interesting new stuff coming, though I find it funny my account ended up getting used to showcase the new stuff. Almost makes it look like I played a role in this update.

...I could have sworn that Rhythm had the same amount of health as Roll and Disco, but she has Mega Man's stats for some strange reason. I guess that's another thing to fix, is it? I didn't believe Mikey at first, but sure enough, the stats weren't that of a support robot.

...I'm sorry, but whatever time you guys are doing these sessions don't work for me anymore. I always miss the sessions because you guys are doing it around the time I'm having dinner, and usually my family watches a show or two during dinner. I really wanted to come tonight, but I forgot about the session, and when I did remember, you guys already finished at around 8 PM my time, I think. I don't even know what time of night these sessions take place anymore...

...

1: I'm really not sure what to make of this. Level 100 kind of takes a while to grind to unless you have a bunch of Starforce that boosts the EXP you get. I guess the fact we can no longer grind stats does make this sound more manageable, though, since it took me at least a couple of hours or so straight before I could boost someone to full 9999 stats, and this was doing it when Mechas could provide the full amount of stat bonuses, btw. So for me I do not mind if this gets changed or not.

2: Logically your idea makes sense. Overkilling robots just made getting 9,999 exp sometimes pretty easy especially if you hit the robot with a weakness. I'm for removing overkilling on robots (though we SHOULD still get to see how crazy powerful our attack was, and I'd like to see this for any of my robots getting killed as well), though I do oppose needing more exp per level. You're just encouraging more grinding if you do it this way, and if someone doesn't have a lot of Starforce, getting past level 100 is going to take a lot of time to do. Remember that you're not leveling up a small party of characters like in typical RPGs. You're trying to level up entire armies. Think about how much time it's going to take to accumulate over 200,000 exp just to go from level 200 to 201. Are you also going to impose a limit of 9,999 exp per robot? There are many other things that take time to do in this game, and I think people might lose interest if they have to grind to beat end-of-chapter robots just because they couldn't level up as fast as they could before. If you insist on requiring people to need so much experience to level up, then I also oppose overkill on robots just because it will take too long otherwise. I say this having spent days upon days of my time just grinding for stats (which no one else has done yet for all robots), and for getting Starforce. Most people probably wouldn't want to do tedious grinding like this, and that's just what you're suggesting here regarding robot levels.

3: I thought the idea here was NOT to have robots reach so high stats for more diversity? You might want to remember the attacks that ignore Defense or do a percentage of damage. Having 999,999 Energy would make for really long battles, too (plus it actually would require more memory to store. If you want a max Energy limit without requiring the game to have to do more work to run, set it to around 65,535. If you end up learning how to program later, you'll understand why I suggest that number). That said, having max stats myself, I would just be crazy about crazy high stats, but I will stick with my previous stance. If you just increase stat limits, then there's an even bigger divide between the people playing for fun and those willing to dedicate a lot of time to buffing their robots. I think Adrian's current system of NOT letting robots get higher stats would work. Your so-called "omniboss" can just have the true max stats, a crazy amount of Energy, and resistance (or greater) to elements that have weapons that tend to bend the damage formula to their liking. Unless robots can be kept in control when their stats get raised, we're all of the way back to where we are now where top robots OHKO each other.

4: This really doesn't make any sense. Mega Man himself doesn't get any stronger throughout the course of the games (in fact, he actually gets WEAKER transitioning from MM8 to MM9). While future robot enemies in the story should be stronger, I do not support adjusting base stats just because a robot was made later. If that was true, fighting a Stardroid would be hell. If robots get better base stats, why even bother training MM1 robots when MM9 and MM10 robots do everything they can do, but better? Why should I continue training Gemini Man when Jewel Man can do everything better than Gemini Man can? Why bother with Guts when we got Concrete?

5: It's crazy when even an ability like Thunder Strike can KO a max stat robot. Starforce is really out of control at this point, and that's now, not when more robots come onto the scene. Reducing the bonuses to Attack and applying it to Defense would really balance things out.

6: Why do these abilities have to go just because of a single boss that the top players will just easily whoop later? Rather, the fact robots no longer have max stats actually make these abilities quite useful again. If you're so concerned about these abilities against your "boss", make the boss immune to Neutral-type abilities. It's not that hard.

7: And here is where removing true max stats for robots becomes a double-edged sword. When your stats are maxed out, these kinds of abilities don't help you. Now that stats are being removed from their max amount, a check to see the weapons are really doing what they are saying they are is not a bad idea at all.

...Today I turned 24, so that's a bit of a celebration for me. I plan to mostly relax. The first thing I can do to relax is...get some sleep. 2 AM at the time of this post. :P

...Unless I'm mistaken, it is OK to put up a shield, as long as you DO NOT attack the Robot Master with that shield. Really at this point you shouldn't even need it anyway.

...It's not a lot of space. You don't have to list all of the weapons the robot is weak to. If there isn't a weapon that combines both weaknesses, just mention a strong weapon for each element. You don't have to list Thunder Strike as a weapon for a robot weak to Electric when Thunder Beam or Bright Burst is more commonly used, for example.

...All right, I think the number of threads relating to either chatroom is too much now. I'm not a mod on here, but I'm REALLY thinking these threads should be kept to a minimum. This really should have been posted on the "main" thread for either chat. Not to mention the title of the thread was pretty misleading. I thought it was something...more serious, then this.

Only thing I've got to say that's on topic...I don't trick-or-treat anymore. I just forget to come to the chat on Friday.

...Ring Man only drops Cutter Cores. Only Star Man can drop Space Cores at this point. Think about it, robots ALWAYS drop Cores that match their actual element. Ring Man is a Cutter-type robot that happens to be in a Space-themed stage.

...Although might be interesting for players to know, this guide could be a lot stronger. Here's some ideas to research if you want your guide to be much more useful:

1. List the best weapons to use against each robot to stand the best chance of getting the core to drop. For example, did you know the absolute best weapon to use against Star Man is Bubble Lead? Take a look at his weaknesses.

2. List the possible locations of each robot, both for players that have yet to obtain all Starforce and those that have all of it. If a robot isn't in the MM1 to MM4 group, the only way to encounter them aside from a Starforce battle is in Bonus Stage 2 (minus the Killers, which are in their respective battles).

3. Some other additional info like your Cores become more valuable the more Starforce you have for that Core. Reggae pays more for Cores if you have tons of Starforce for it.

Just some suggestions that should make your guide much more interesting to read.

...At first I thought it was another unnecessary thread about the chatroom, but then I realized this is advertising the new one, so all right, I guess this thread is ok. Xat is not my favorite kind of chat, but it's something I am fine using.

...I did some math just now using Adrian's Mega Man example, and my Mega Man has a total of 30,592 stat points placed on him (9999 for Attack, Defense, and Speed, plus 595 for Energy), and considering the scenario that my Mega Man gets his stats changed to 4462 for each stat, that leaves my Mega Man with 12,744 overflow points, and that's just Mega Man. For Roll's example, she actually has 30,890 stat points attached to her, because of the extra Energy she has. Doing the math here according to the example up above, I would end up with 13,026 overflow points. So, simplifying the math, let's just say that my support robots would have 13,026 points each, for a total of 39,078 overflow points. Add that to having 35 robots with 12,744 points a piece, and the absolute total overflow points I would have on my account is a crazy 485,118. So yeah...I'm not sure how those extra points will get used since my other robots will have a crazy amount of overflow too, unless perhaps I start with level 100 "max" stat future robots, I guess. Or perhaps the extra points could be applied to free level ups for the mechas? I have no idea...but I imagine my math is not too far off...

...I'll take the extra Zenny, I don't have much of that. :P

I am perfectly ok if my robots' stats are adjusted. Rather I'm super excited about the change coming since finally robots can have more Energy (I hope this means no more battles determined by the first attack of the match). I just kinda wish I knew what my new amounts are going to be, since I don't want to end up having my stats lower than what they could be. I was even willing to have my robots reduced to level 1 just so I can have a say on what their actual final stats were going to be. I'm also excited with the upcoming alt. costumes, so I think this new update should tide even the vets like us for a little while, now that matches should hopefully be a little more unpredictable, since I hope the Energy increase means the "max stat" robots shouldn't be able to get one-shot anymore. The mystery robot feature in the Player Battle selection screen also should be of help to those of us on the other side of the field we cannot control.

Adrian, I believe the upcoming changes will be WELL WORTH a little sacrifice on our parts. The only thing I ask? Don't burn yourself out too much trying to add the changes in. :P

...I wouldn't worry too much about necroposting on these forums unless the thread is like a year old or some length like that. You're good. Thanks for the info, btw, regarding the specific robots you need to use to unlock the support characters. I wasn't aware you couldn't use just any robot you wanted to unlock them. I think MBM needs to update his new player guide with that info. Since it's not exactly global knowledge how to get those robots, this info will come in handy for those post-Final Destination.

...Geez, I've been busy, focusing on school and Pikmin, that I forgot you mentioned this day as being your birthday, MBM. Happy Birthday! I'll catch up with you next month. :P

...Yeah, when your robots have max stats, it ultimately comes down to what abilities work best against your robots and not necessarily what robots you're using (except for WE cost). To add to the mess, once you accumulate tons of Starforce, Copy Core and Neutral Core robots become less than favorable for having in battles since the other robots can deal more damage with less WE cost than Copy Core robots. So yeah, the system isn't perfect, but since this game still is a beta, more significant changes may need to be made later. I wouldn't complain at all if changes were made for more diversity among the robots.

...Geez, I haven't been on my computer for like...a day or two, and it feels like I missed quite a bit. Let's see...

@Mikey76500 : Seems like I didn't miss your birthday, so happy 26th birthday! Hope today was a good day for you.

@Adrian Marceau : Guess you can't stay away very long from the game, eh? Looking forward to those alt costumes!

...I too made a spreadsheet when I was collecting the remaining Starforce, though it was also back when Adrian didn't set up the tools to randomize the fields in the Player option. That was fun having to manually change all eight fields...

@Mikey76500 : ...I did not have trouble with this game myself when I was new to this, but I think that was partly because I finished the Demo Missions before I went on to the main game. I won't say that I didn't lose any matches, but losing one match in Light's story actually gets you Roll, which should make things a little bit easier. For me I was content with grinding against the Mets before I went after the Robot Masters, after learning that beating 7 Mets rewarded me with Mecha Support and 8 Mets rewarded me Field Support. Mega Man also gets his Mega Buster at level 2, which adds a lot of power to him early on.

I'm not trying to come off as jerkish, as I do appreciate newer players trying the game and giving their thoughts, but I personally didn't have that much trouble with the game. I consider perhaps the first trip to Chapter 2 the toughest part of the entire game. The game gets quite a bit easier once you've played a few matches, even against stronger AI opponents.

*looks at the post more* What's the reason why you have to worry about knowing the 20 different types of elements? I personally still have to scan opponents sometimes (or refer to the Database) whenever I battle. What's more important is what element weaknesses and strengths I have to watch out when I prepare to attack a target. Heck, I did not even know what "Affinity" and "Immunity" was after well after my first match. Scan if you're unsure how to attack someone, perhaps even scan the robot anyway even if you do know. When I played the game, I did not even have a shop to buy items (thus Zenny did not exist back then)! I had to go by what items were dropped by enemies! And you know what...the items mostly stayed in my inventory because I found the best strategies to use right away.

I really don't even know what can I say, as it mostly sounds like luck is not on your side. Either that or you tried to go directly to Chapter 2 without playing a few more Met matches, which isn't a good idea since you could be going in there as a level 3 or level 4 after defeating another Met or two. You know that grinding is a big thing in RPGs, and this game is certainly no exception. I apologize again if I come off as offending. I just personally don't see how this game has such a huge learning curve. However, should you continue to encounter problems as you go on in the game, we're always happy to answer any questions you got!

...Sorry, but I'm siding with MBM on this as well, especially because I completed a "low" level run on this game, AND got all 8 Light robots using only Neutral abilities without any grinding. Your best bet is to take on Oil Man first, charge up the Mega Buster first while the Beetle Borg is still alive, then finish it with a Buster Shot, and use your charged shot to deal some good damage to Oil Man. Shouldn't be that hard really to get Oil Man if you can start off with something powerful as your first hit to him. Remember that you've got items to heal yourself if you need to. Take on Elec Man while having Oil Man tank Elec Man's hits. Better to get Elec Man out of the way early so that you won't have to face a more powerful Elec Man as the levels go up. From there the only advice I would give is to save Guts Man for when he's at least level 6 so he gets his other ability, so he doesn't constantly spam Super Throw. Maybe I should just do another run and record it, as the game is easier than what you are making it out to be, Mikey. The tutorial idea may help in the long run, though, so I'm ok with that. I don't think the game needs to be made even easier than it already is.

...Another idea that came to mind, maybe see if the shop unlocks when you get a Fusion Star from Chapter 4 of Light's story? You'll get the shop eventually, but just thought I'd throw that out too.

...That's...actually a good question. I wasn't paying attention when I finally got the shop myself. Maybe try clearing the other two stories? I'm stumped on this one.

...I think I'll hold off on visiting the chat until we decide what day to move things to. As for now until winter, I am not available Thursday night since I likely will be returning from the university by the time you guys are perhaps wrapping things up.